Bukkit

@flyingflare

Yes.

Hello everyone~

Does Terrain Control affect dynamic terrain generation while exploring the map? I am using multiverse. In other words, while I am exploring, does minecraft create new chunks based on the Terrain Control algorithm that I used to create the world, and so making expansion seemless?

Thank you~

If I apply this to my main world will it alter the structures already built?

@Ricowan

That's what I thought, too, until I saw the 'notch' option in the config. Why would they include it there if it was the same as 'normal?'

What I am asking is for terrain control to only affect things below the surface and ores (the same way orebfuscator does). That way anything under the surface can be affected by the chaos of the seed being changed by terrain control, but the map itself, to most players, would look the same.

Even if that's not possible, just a default seed would be fine since I don't really like the new biomes that come pre-installed with terrain control. I simply want to make diamonds rarer without changing anything else (other than the seed if need be).

@Pandamatak Ah, I see. In order for that to happen, TerrainControl would need to use the exact same code that the unmodded game uses for terrain generation. I'm not positive, but I believe that TerrainControl replaces the vanilla code, rather than just passing in different values than default. If that's the case, then what you're looking for really isn't possible with this mod.

Remember, seeds are just the starting point in a fixed list of random values. If TerrainControl asks for random numbers in a different order, or requests more or less of them, than the vanilla code, the end result will be different even with the same starting point.

Does anyone know some good values to use to chop off the bottom of the terrain? Currently I've been playing with the CustomHeightControl in the Biomes but there doesn't seem to be a happy medium - you either have terrain or you don't. Currently -2400 is 'no terrain' and somewhere around -2000 produces 100% terrain.

Terrain Example

@j00borg

I have trouble as well with the whole spawning of passive mobs. My thoughts are that its a mixture of vanilla behaviour and TC.

Since we have breedable animals , they wont despawn. So as soon animals are spawned , they keep in memory forever, unless they die. If there is a passive mob cap, it will be filled around the place where you spawn. Also the animal spawn tick is set at 400, wich means animals are only spawned every 20 seconds.

When i kill all the animals with a butcher command, animals should respawn around me wherever i am at that moment. Without TC these amounts tend to be much higher. And I have to test this more, but it also seems to differ in wich biome I am.

I kept all spawn animal settings to default. I have tried to get it to work, but with no succes. I might do something wrong here and i am waiting on more info how to use these new features.

@j00borg

I'm only running TC, so it has to be a TC problem. I've seen wolves in my TC worlds but they're incredibly rare; not sure what to make of this. When the server I'm running with my friends goes up, it looks like we'll be doing a heck lot of breeding all the animals...

In any case, there's nothing much we can do except wait for update, so this entire post might as well not have existed xD

@j00borg

Thanks for your testing. Khoorn/mysource do you have any more info on the mob spawning thing?

@Kitryn

This still leaves Ocelot spawning unexplained as they do continue to spawn with chunk generation. I'm not sure how vanilla MC spawns them compared to other mobs, but I consider them on the same level as wolves, which my TC worlds lack entirely.

As a further test, I set up a new server from scratch prior to my previous post, running only bukkit 1.2.4R1.0 and TC. I generated a new world with default TC configs. I left MC running for the past 8 hours, far from spawn, and I'm still seeing no signs of passive mobs aside from the initial few at spawn.

If TC does alter the mob spawning mechanics in this way, it seems you should be given the option to use the vanilla spawning behavior. Unless of course it is unavoidable for some reason or another due to the nature of TC.

As it is, I feel that mobs not spawning (especially wolves) with chunk generation is game breaking for many reasons. Not to mention, it makes the world feel dead/dull.

Edit: On a hunch, I tried something.

On my main server, I disabled "keepspawninmemory" for Multiverse-Core. Upon reload, I immediately saw plentiful animal spawns. Seems to me that the animals at spawn are always counting towards the mob limits.

Now, before someone cries "blame Multiverse!", keep in mind, I still had the same problem on my test server running TC as the only plugin. What happened when I did add MV to my test server and disable keepspawninmemory? Animals also began spawning there.

This is all a non-issue with no plugins, leading me to believe it is still TC related.

@Ricowan

Yes, I understand that, but what bothers me is that terrain control doesn't come pre-loaded with 'default' settings. What I wish to do is use the same seed I've used for my current world to basically "duplicate" it, but with a lower/adjustable concentration of diamonds. Is there any way to make it so that Terrain Control is, by default, a "silent mod" as in, it doesn't change anything unless you change it via the config?

I am sure there must exist a set of config options which give it default settings, but that allow you to edit small things like ore-rarity and not have it affect the surface terrain.

@j00borg

also having this problem with passive mob spawning. I suspect it's because TC makes passive mobs spawn randomly according to time as opposed to on chunk generation (which is why the more you explore, the less you see. stick around and they appear after awhile)

what I'm trying to say is that default terrain generator spawns passives mobs when the chunk is generated, while TC doesn't, and hence you have to wait awhile.

I'm also having issues with mob spawning. When a world first generates, a small amount (10) will spawn. After that, zero passive mobs spawn anywhere (after hours of searching). The mobs referred to are only sheep, cows, pigs, chickens, and wolves. Hostile mobs, villagers, ocelots, and squid all seem to spawn normally. I've messed with spawning settings quite a bit, but it has had no effect.

If I travel to new chunks with TC disabled, passive mobs show up immediately.

Can also confirm problems with sugar cane. I've found none.

I have to add though, that I love this plugin. Minecraft would be dull without it, due to the lacking world generation since 1.8. Keep up the great work, and thank you. :D

@Kitryn

Yes i can. I tried to add them in the Config too but it doesn't work (also tried to add the normal Mobs to Oceans so the small Isles can have some Mobs too - nothing).

Same for the Sugarcane, can't find any of them as well as the Bugs in my other Posting (like no 1x1 Jungle Trees, failing Bigtree generation etc.).

Hope there is a fix for this soon because i'm almost finished with my config.

Great mod so far- thanks for all the work put into this. I'm almost done with the settings for my server, but I've a few things to report: Reeds (Sugarcane). Haven't been spawning for a few TC versions now. Even with obscene values in the Reed() command, nothing spawns.. Mooshrooms. Mushroom island biomes don't seem to be spawning any mooshrooms at all Can anybody verify these? Thanks :3